julia.endo said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
No disagreement with julia.endo. One condition attached. Yes, and the corollary is less popular: if the reasoning holds, it also holds where it produces an answer we do not like.
alex_tucson said:Agreed, and hsCRP is worth reading alongside them.
Thank you for spelling out the reasoning rather than just the conclusion. Printing the relevant bit and taking it with me.
julia.endo said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
Careful with treating an unchanged LDL-C as a failure. If ApoB and triglycerides both fell, the particle picture improved regardless of what the calculated LDL says.
Worth separating that from the lipid panel, which this thread keeps folding into the same question. They behave differently and the advice does not transfer.
Happy to go further on any of that.
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Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. Report rather than reply if it drifts again.